going over the cliff is a win. obama gets to raise taxes, which by the way include tax increases on middle class. >> no. >> sound byte: you have to make a pretense of paying for the welfare state. he does want more revenue but not to balance budgets. he wants more revenue to spinned it. >> he's lowering taxes on 98% of the people and raising it on the top 2% including people like rush limbaugh, which is why he's whiney. >> stephanie: too, it's even the very wealthy. it's only--the first $250,000 of your income. >> right. >> stephanie: it's amazing that all of this heat and noise over all this when it's not--as the president often said it's asking the rich to pay a little bit more, and it literally is a little bit more. like we're going back to eisenhower tax rates? >> not even close. not even kennedy tax rates. >> stephanie: yes, you still get the tax cut. that's what he was saying, the first $250,000 of your income which even wealthy people. >> which is absolutely fair. >> stephanie: peter johnson whose name is pe